Nikon 85mm 1.8G vs 1.8D vs 1.4D – small experiment

Buna seara din nou – asa cum probabil ati citit deja in postul referitor la D3 vs D4 – am reusit sa ma joc putin cu noile jucarii de la Nikon: corpul D4 si noul 85mm f:1.8 G AF-s. Acest post o sa-l dedic obiectivului mentionat pe care l-am pus sa se bata cu 2 obiective deja clasice din era filmului – adevarati titani ai vremurilor nu chiar apuse : cele doua obiective de 85mm AF-D si anume varianta 1.8 si 1.4 intr-un test facut in graba. Era si regele 85mm f1.4 G pe acolo prin magazin insa nu era chiar la indemana si nu am mai vrut sa astept sa-l gaseasca baietii asa ca testul s-a desfasurat fara el – oricum telul meu era sa vad diferentele intre cele doua 1.8-uri.

Toate cele 3 obiective au fost montate pe D3  care era pe un trepied – setarile au fost facute ca si la testul de corpuri – RAW + JPG Fine – Standard cu totul pe ZERO – exceptand WB care a fost lasat pe AUTO. ISO folosit aici a fost constant si anume 250. Subiectul de “tragere” a fost obiectivul Nikon  50mm f:1.8 AF-D care a fost folosit la testul dinainte. De remarcat ca aici nu prea am avut parte chiar de liniste, testul s-a facut mai mult pe graba. Ba chiar intre teste, inainte sa montez 1.4-le cineva mi-a mutat obiectivul 50mm si astfel a trebuit sa-l pun din nou la locul lui – a se observa ca acum are alt capac de spate. Scopul testului a fost sa vad in principiu cum se comporta noul obiectiv comparativ cu cele vechi la diafragme deschise ( 1.8 – 5.6 ) in ceea ce priveste – sharpness , contrast, bokeh, redare culori. Repet totul a fost facut pe fuga, era harmalaie in magazin, clienti, angajati, nu chiar un cadru propice pentru teste serioase deci va rog nu dati cu parul :) Nu am avut timp sa testez performantele in colturi, aberatii croematice in diverse ocazii sau vignetarea – sper ca alta data sa pot face un review complet asa cum scrie la carte.

De data asta o sa pun imaginile full din prima in spatele linkurilor pentru ca voi sa puteti sa vedeti mai repede rezultatele full – fara cropuri pentru ca aici ne cam intereseaza si centrul pentru resolutie/contrast dar si marginile pentru calitatea bokehului.

Atentie : ordinea sample-urilor este urmatoarea :  Nikon 85mm f:1.8 G AF-S   /  Nikon 85mm f:1.8 AF-D  /  Nikon 85mm f:1.4 AF-D

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Hello again – as you probably have read by now – I was able to play around for a bit with Nikon’s new toys : the D4 and the new 85mm f:1.8G AF-S lens. This post is dedicated to the new 85 lens. I have put it up against 2 of the Nikon’s 85 classics from the film era : the 2 85mm AF-D versions still available on the market : the 1.8 and the 1.4. Mind you this was done in a rush. The 85 1.4G was around the store but the boys didn’t know exactly where, and I didn’t want to wait for them to look for it – the main goal of this small test was to see the differences between the 2 1.8s anyway.

All 3 lens were mounted on my D3 which was on a tripod – all settings were similar to the other test : RAW + JPG Fine – Standard – everything set to ZERO, all other settings turned OFF – except for the WB which was left on AUTO mode. The ISO used for the testing was constant – ISO 250. The subject was the Nikon 50mm f:1.8 AF-D I used on the D3 vs D4 test. Again I would like to emphasize that this was not a real test, as the store was a bit crowded with people at that moment, in the middle of the test even, someone just lifted my subject 50mm lens not knowing I was in the middle of a test – please notice it was given some different lens caps as well on the 1.4 shots. I had to re-put it in the old place but the box was not set up in the same angle as when the 2 1.8s were tested – not that important anyway. My main goal here was to see how the new G lens would perform against it’s older brothers only at some opened apertures ( 1.8 – 5.6 ) in terms of central sharpness, contrast, bokeh. I didn’t have the time to test the lens for corner performance, CAs or Vignetting. Maybe I will be able to repeat the test in a more “suitable” atmosphere :)

This time I will use the full size photos ( behind the thumb links ) – not crops as we need both the central area to see sharpness/contrast and the corners for OOF bokeh quality.

Attention : the samples order is: Nikon 85mm f:1.8 G AF-S   /  Nikon 85mm f:1.8 AF-D  /  Nikon 85mm f:1.4 AF-D

F1.8

           

F2.8

          

F4

           

F5.6

           

De dragul artei, va atasez si alte 3 fotografii facute aiurea prin magazin cu cele 3 obiective – nu au nici o treaba una cu alta, sunt facute din mana, la cateva minute una de alta deci nu e un test prea precis. A se nota ca fotografia facuta cu obiectivul 1.4D ( deci ultima ) e trasa la F2 si celelalte doua la F1.8 ( imaginile sunt la ISO 400 si nu au chiar setarile de expunere identice )
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Just for the sake of it, I am also throwing in 3 shots I took around the store randomly. They are in no way related to one another, are handheld and were taken minutes apart – so it’s not really a benchmark – please note that the photo taken with the 1.4D ( the last one ) was shot at F2 and the other ones at F1.8 ( images are all 3 shot at ISO 400 – the exposure is not identical )

        

CONCLUZIE/CONCLUSION

Per total – obiectivul s-a dovedit a fi destul de impresionant – fiind un pas MARE fata de predecesorul sau ( versiunea 1.8D ). Parca observ lui 1.8D tendinta de a focaliza uuuuun pic mai in spatele punctului dorit fata de celelalte 2 – probabil o mica ajustare de fine-tune ar fi rezolvat treaba. Oricum nu e ceva deranjant.

Dupa cum se observa, daca discutam despre performantele wide open ( 1.8 ) diferentele intre cele doua obiective sunt EVIDENTE in ceea ce priveste detaliul si contrastul, obiectivul nou pur si simplu spulberand fratele mai vechi la acest capitol ( am repetat testul la 1.8 cu 1.8-ul AF-D pentru cam crezut inital ca am gresit eu focusul dar rezultatul a fost identic ). In ceea ce priveste performantele lui 1.4D la aceasta diafragma ( 1.8 ) – acesta sta mai bine ca 1.8D-ul la capitolul sharpness – as putea spune cam la fel ca 1.8G-ul – dar pierde in fata noului venit la capitolul contrast. Foarte impresionante performantele aici ale noului 1.8G. In ceea ce priveste Bokeh-ul, nu prea sesizez diferente notabile intre cele doua 1.8-uri dar se observa o trecere evidenta cand trecem la 1.4D care se prezinta cu un Bokeh vizibil mai cremos. Nu degeaba i se spunea “the cream master”.

La 2.8 stam cam la fel ca la 1.8, singura diferenta notabila e ca 1.8D-ul castiga un pic teren la sharpness – in rest cam aceiasi situatie la contrast cu 1.8G-ul in frunte – la bokeh deja diferentele incep sa se miscoreze intre cele doua 1.8-uri si fratele mai mare 1.4 nemai fiind un salt major.

La f4 lucrurile incep sa se mai “stranga” – deja nu mai exista o diferenta deranjanta intre toate 3 obiectivele la sharpness. La bokeh poate sunt eu nebun insa as inclina sa spun ca s-au inversat un pic rolurile, parca cele 2 1.8-uri fiind o idee mai soft ca marele 1.4 – lucrul asta se poate datora si diferentei de expunere efectiva – cu toate ca eram in interior,erau aceleasi surse de lumina tot tp, iar eu am folosit EXACT aceleasi setari la toate, cadrul tras cu 1.4 – pare o idee mai intunecat. Incredibil e si faptul ca intre cele 1.8-uri s-a mai micsorat diferenta la contrast – ciudat totusi faptul ca 1.4-ele a cam ramas pe ultimul loc aici.

La 5.6 situatia se prezinta cam ca la F4 intre cei 3 competitori.

Ideea de incheiere e ca noul obiectiv de la Nikon a ridicat destul de mult stacheta in ceea ce priveste calitatea imaginii de la un obiectiv luminos si la un pret decent. In ceea ce priveste rezolutia wide open lucrurile se prezinta incredibil de bine fiind destul de detasat fata de vechiul 1.8D – iar la capitolul contrast este de necontestat ca e CEL MAI BUN de departe dintre cele 3 obiective testate. Din punct de vedere al Bokeh-ului nu prezinta o diferenta fata de vechiul 1.8, dar cum era si de asteptat – este devansat in setarile wide de mai marele si mai scumpul 1.4D. Diferenta de pret intre cele 1.8-uri este relativ minima avand in vedere ca vine cu niste plusuri EVIDENTE si parerea mea este ca isi merita pretul de 2300 RON cu cat se preconizeaza ca va atinge rafturile magazinelor in februarie. Poate la un test urmator mai amanuntit, o sa il compar si cu 85-ul 1.4 G – ar trebui sa fie destul de interesant.

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Note the tendency of the 1.8D to focus a biiiiiiiit behind the desired point when compared to the other 2 lens – however the difference is minimal and doesn’t affect the results too much.

Bottom line is that the new 1.8G lens does set up a new benchmark considering sharpness and contrast from a fast aperture lens – and at an relatively affordable price. Wide open, the resolution seems nothing short of SPECTACULAR, outperforming it’s older brother ( the 1.8D). Contrast wise – it’s very clear that is the winner of the test – by a big margin on all apertures. Bokeh wise, it doesn’t seem to bring anything different when compared to it’s brother ( the 1.8D ) – but as expected it’s outperformed by the bigger and more expensive 1.4D – which is also known as the “cream master”. The price difference between the 2 versions of 1.8 lenses is not going to be too big it seems and in my opinion the G it’s well worth the extra $ because it brings some obvious improvements. Maybe at a future test I will have it up against the King of all 85’s – the Nikon AF-s 85mm f:1.4G – things should be interesting.

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34 thoughts on “Nikon 85mm 1.8G vs 1.8D vs 1.4D – small experiment

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  2. Thanks for the test. If you can get some direct lightsources in the picture for the next one I’d really appreciate it.
    Seeing how the new lens deals with flare and/or shows the light will be the decider for me.

  3. Hey Mike thanks for the consideration – I don’t own the lens, nobody actually does own one at the moment. It was tested on a short test session organized by Nikon on one of their dealership stores in my city. I did the test shots very fast in the store and posted them here now. I can’t do anymore tests because the lens won’t be available anymore until the actual official launch in February.

  4. Thanks for this. I didn’t know about this lens until today but it’s what I’ve been wishing Nikon would make – AF-S mid-tele/portrait, fast prime. I appreciate your “small experiment”, so thanks again. :)

  5. Thank you for taking the time to post some sample shots of the new 85mm f/1.8G with comparison to other 85mm lens. I just ordered the lens last week. Thanks again!

  6. I have the 85mm 1.8D. In my opinion, based on the tests above, there is no point in buying the new G lens.
    For MY personal needs and likes, I say the 1.8D is better because at f1.8 I am able to shoot those beautiful
    gorgeous photos with that fantastic blurry look. I think that this is one of the reasons that this lens was made
    for, to me the 1.8D therefore, has more FLEXIBILITY. If I want sharper photos then i simply change the apperture
    to 2.8 or higher. If i want or need a little bit more contrast shooting at f1.8 I’ll just fix it in my computer.
    I think the new G lens is simply for people that have cameras without the motor, and because Nikon is advertising
    it so much i think a lot of people are going to go after it, just like Mr. Richard Wintle posted his statement above, this is the first time he hears about this lens. I am sure a lot of people are going to get their brains washed, including people that already have the 1.8D and are going to want to upgrade. I think my 1.8D Japan version will last even longer than the new G lens made in Taiwan or something??

  7. Adrian, thanks for sharing your thoughts. In my opinion, the differences between the old 85 1.8D and the new one are pretty obvious, and the improvement is undoubtedly there. I can understand that in a position of an 1.8D owner you don’t find it necessary to upgrade, as the 1.8D still is a very very nice lens, but if I were to decide on buying my first 85 1.8 lens – considering the price difference of JUST $40 between them ( $459 vs $499 on BH ) – my thought it’s that it’s really no-brainer on which one to get. There is definitely an evolution with the new lens and the price difference is quite minimal. Not to mention what it brings “on paper” : quieter and faster AF, aspherical lens, better coating etc.
    By saying that you can just close the aperture if you want better sharpness and adding contrast in Photoshop is like saying “hey my 18-55 lens is just perfect, why buy a 17-55 ( or 24-70 )” :)
    Regarding the durability of the old vs new lens, it’s true the usually newer lens use cheaper materials when compared to older ones but time will tell about the aging. Usually people people buy photo gear to take photos, not to throw them around the soccer field :) and the last decade’s Nikon lens design did not bring too many complaints.
    Again – this is just my own opinion, I don’t currently own neither of the lens so it might be a subjective opinion – as a side not though I do own the 50mm 1.8D and I WILL buy the new 1.8G lens because it’s simply better than the old one in every aspect ( pretty much the same thing like with the 85s ).

  8. I completely agree with you. if you don’t own the lens yet, why buy the old one? I personally don’t have a lot of
    money. I got my 50mm 1.8D for $100. I personally dont have the need and money to go out and buy the 50mm 1.8G for $100 to $150 more. The 50mm is an awesome little lens for what you can buy it for. But like you said, if one does not have it, just buy the newer one. Makes sence to me.

  9. I did want to add to my last comment that things are like buying a new beautiful car model. They come with improvements, but sometimes they also come with defects or something worse then the previous model.

    And although there are what i think MINOR improvements, (the price itself says it all) I know people that have the 50mm 1.8D and the newer 1.8G and sometimes because this lens is so quiet, they really don’t know if it has already focus, they put the lens by their ears to double check it. I am not saying this is bad, I personally don’t like too quiet lenses because of the same reason, i actually like to hear when my lens has focused. Some other people don’t like the feel and look of the newer materials and so forth. Again, i dont feel that I need to get rid of that little jewel, the 85mm 1.8D made in Japan and get the newer one made in China. I didn’t buy my 85mm 1.8D, I actually traded it with something else that i had, and the very fist time that i held it on my hand i knew what I had. But again, If i did not have either one, i would probably buy the new one with all the advertisement that it is getting. The 85 1.8D BRAND NEW AT A STORE will most likely not go down in price, but now you will be able to buy it A LOT CHEAPER on the street, just like the 50mm 1.8D. Which one would I go after?? I have the D7000 so i DO NOT NEED the 1.8G. I rather save me some money.

    • You are right about the 50mm lens. The difference is almost twice between the new and old one and although it comes with some improvements, the 200% price raise may be or may be not worth the differences. It’s up to each individual to figure it out. However when it comes to the 85 … the difference is MINIMAL – we’re talking about $40 out of the $500 ( the price for the new one ). It’s LESS THAN 10% !! The differences are move obvious than in the 50mm cases. You say the improvements are minimal. This is not true – when someone is buying a fast mid telephoto prime lens ( such as a 85 1.8 ) – there are a few things everyone is interested in – the performance wide open. Not only the new one simply BLASTS the old one wide open, but also @ 2.8 – and the superiority in color rendering and contrast goes beyond these settings.
      I think anyone can agree that for less than 10% – you must be really “weird” to go for the old one :) It’s called EVOLUTION. Is like saying – ooo I will keep my D100 as it’s almost as good as the newer D700 or D800 – come on – some things are meant to be improved and this lens is one of them. The CARS related thing – I wouldn’t go for the new Mercedes E-Class and I’d rather use my 1995 E-Class because who cares about the improvements. The 1.8D has an optical formula from 1987 and then had the D added in 94 without touching the lens design. Also as a fact, the 1.8D made 2010 onwards is MADE IN THAILAND. The new 1.8G comes with a different optical formula after 25 YEARS !! It’s specially designed to meet the new digital era specifications and the changes are visible.
      If for you, spending $40 extra next to the $460 you would pay for a 1.8D seems like an effort, I feel for you. But honestly I think you are 1 in 1000 that thinks this way :)

  10. I completely understand what you are saying. My lens is made in Japan. That to me, for some reason, says high quality. I know for a fact things are not made like they used to anymore in order to cut cost and i would be afraid
    to purchase a new plastic lens with more moving parts made in China. I guess a nice warranty would do the job for a while. But i do get what you are saying. My OPINION so far, is only based on the quick “tests” that was done with the photos above. Also, pay attention to the price. I will repeat it again, i think this lens is specifically for people that have
    lower end cameras that don’t have the AF motor, and i do think that those people have the right to be able to buy
    a really good quality fast prime lens like this new G lens. I think that is about it. This is also called MARKETTING.
    Look at the new D4 and D800 that just came out. Why did they make this new cameras?? Do we really need them??
    A lot of people are not even that thrilled about them because there is really nothing spectacular about them, they just added a couple of things here or there, and this cameras are specifically for CERTAIN KIND OF PEOPLE.
    The D700 and D7000 are really good cameras, but there go all the greedy people now selling their D700 to get the
    latest stuff. I am happy for Nikon, they got to make money somehow.

    Anyway, things are not made like they used to. I have never had one of this lenses, i hope they are good quality. I am considering getting the new G lens myself like i said or maybe upgrading to the 85mm 1.4D.

    I am considering selling my 1.8D NOW as we speak for me to be able to get a large amount of money for it now, when the G lens comes out, the D will drop even more on the street.

  11. It is exciting to be lusting after the new 85mm AFS and the new 50mm G, which is a winner in my tests. I am keeping my 105 F2 DC. I got away from 85mm on my D300 bodies after using the 85 AFD for a few years. I had the 85 F2 Ais with a pair of F3 bodies which I used for many years in the studio and for weddings. 85mm is nice and safe for full frame but I like the perspective of 105mm now on both FX and DX. More compression is “more fun”,

    • Well 105DC is in a class of its own! There’s no point comparing the 105DC or 135DC to the 85s 1.8, I wish Nikon would decide to redesign them to an even GREATER level of “wonderfulness” :) I currently own a 105 f:2.5 AI-S and although it’s still a MF lens, I love it every time I get the time to play with it on my D3. On my D300 it’s more difficult cu focus do to the smaller viewfinder plus having the focus confirmation by only the DOT. I also own a F3 which “accommodates” the 105. 105 is a pretty great perspective, but I think the 85 would allow me to focus a bit closer to the subject making it great for indoors as well but nevertheless, that 105DC is fantastic.

  12. Hello Ladies and Gentlemen. Bellow I have posted a link to side by side comparison with the 85mm 1.8D and the new 1.8G and other lenses, from Jarid at froknowsphoto.com

    http://froknowsphoto.com/nikon-85mm-f1-8-afs-review/

    here is said that at f1.8 the new 1.8G is sharper (based on a black shoulder strap with the red letter R that is located towards the right side of the photo.) If you simply just keep looking at that section of the photo, of course the new G lens looks “sharper”. Now, again, looking at the new G lens, look at the CENTER LEFT black & white square label that says I SHOOT RAW. What do you see now? IS BLURRY!

    Now look at that label on the “OLD” 1.8D lens, what do you see?? IT IS SHARPER than the new G lens. Is it just me?? Am I blind?? It is very simple. It looks like the camera was FOCUSED ON A DIFFERENT LOCATION for each lens test. NOT SAYING JARID DID IT ON PURPUSE. I LOVE HIS REVIEWS, FUNNY GUY. I JUST THINK HE MISSED THAT DETAIL.

    So oviously according to Jared’s comment in his video review, that “the shoulder strap and letter R look a lot sharper and richer” if you reference the black shoulder strap with the letter R, of course it is going to look sharper on the new G lens.

    My point, again, the 1.8D is an exellent lens. At f/2 or 2.2 is pretty much as the new G lens. The only diffeence i do see is the SLIGHT BOKEH improvement. Im I going to go sell my 1.8D lens and pull $200 more or less out of my pocket to upgrade to the new G lens? I personally don’t have the need for that or make Nikon a little bit more richer. Again, if you already have the 1.8D is your decision. If one does not have a 85mm, then yes, why not just get the new one. But if you STILL want to save money, you can buy the 1.8D used on the street for LESS, NOT THE PRICE BEING ADVERTISED AS NEW SOLD BY STORES!

  13. Hi, I am super new to any blogs, this is my first time ever asking a question, ok here goes.. Anyone else having issues with the D700 and basicly any lens? I just bought one. I have a 24-75 2.8, 50mm 1.8 and a 70-200 2.8 and I am getting issues with parts being in focus like one eye, lips and parts not being in focus like the nose, hair & chin.. like if you look at the pictures of the 3 guys above I see the same problems in the photos when you zoom in (RIGHT), The guys one eye is in focus and his bottom lip, sides of his hair and then his front part of his hair is blurred and so is his top lip and nose? Is that normal or just a setting that can be fixed? I never had that issue on my D200. Can anyone help? I do however, want to buy that 85mm lens :)

  14. Just want to let everyone know that I was in between selling my Nikkor 85mm 1.8D and using the money to get this sharper 1.8G, OR just keeping my 1.8D.

    I made one of the best decisions IN MY LIFE. I did sell my 1.8D and purchased the BLODDY INEXPENSIVE ROKINON 85mm 1.4 MANUAL FOCUS for my D7000 and I am BLOWN AWAY!!

    I was scared in making this move beause of reviews saying that this lens is extremely difficult to use. BULL PUCKY!! This SWEAT lens is very easy and FUN to use. It teaches you to be an artist, improve your technics, and yes, be PATIENT and to pay attention. If you are impatient or have bad eye sight this is not the lens for you or ANY manual focus.

    The Rokinon IS NOT FOR FAST MOVING SUBJECTS(manual focus), it is a PORTRAIT LENS, but this thing is VERY SHARP at 1.4 already, and the BOKEH IS INCREDIBLE. I am not a proffecional, just got into this hobby within the last three years and THIS IS MY FIRST MANUAL FOCUS LENS EVER. Is a shame what manufacturers are doing to reduce cost, making lenses made out of plastic WITH MOVING MOTORS IN THEM??? Althou Nikon is putting a better GLASS in the new 1.8G, this is the one and ONLY reason why I did not buy it, I just have a gut feeling that those lenses will not last as the older ones, just as Ken Rockwell mentions in his review on the new 1.8G. Is just common sence. They sure don’t make things like they used to. My D700 with the battery pack is already very light. The 1.8G is LIGHTER than the 1.8D, Not a good feeling on the camera either. The Rokinon is VERY SOLID, and it feels very well balanced on it. I am one of the happiest people on earth right now. There are smart decisions and there are WISE decisions in life :)

    • I would have to totally agree with you on this :) I just purchased a Samyang ( Rokinon ) 85mm 1.4 – and I must say this was an incredible surprise for me also. It’s SHARP right from 1.4 onwards and the bokeh is unbelievable. I have a D3 camera and although manual focusing is rather difficult, I still have my eagle-eye sight and the D3 is probably the best DSLR to use MF on. I already tested the Samyang against 3 Nikons ( 85 1.8G, 1.4D and 1.4G ) and I will post a full review in the next few days.

  15. By the way, I forgot to mention above that there is no big difference between this lens and the Nikon 1.4D or the
    CHEAPER BUILT Sigma 1.4 unless you are pixel peeping on a high def monitor. This Rokinon puts those lenses to shame for the price difference. By the way, the Rokinon already increased in price. I wonder how much it will cost a year or two from now.

  16. Hi cornholio4ya,

    do you own each of those lenses or will you be testing the lenses in a store or borrowed?
    That is a very nice lens collection. Looking forward in seeing your tests.
    It would be nice to see the SAME subject with no set up changes, for each of those lenses.

    • Hi Adrian, I do own the Samyang lens but when I do the tests, I go down to my local Nikon store and do the tests there against the Nikon lenses. Thing is I already took the photos with the 85 1.4G and 1.8G along the Samyang 3 days ago and I made myself an idea but I didn’t get the change to write up the rest of the review yet as it’s more time consuming then expected. I should be adding that last part in the next 2 days.
      I know the testing is not exactly top-notch, it’s not a very controlled space, it’s the inside of a Nikon store inside a Shopping Mall in my city. People come and go, sometime they disturb my testing, it’s a bit of a pain but I am taking all the efforts I can in order to have all these done as good as I can giving the situation. It would be a totally different thing if I were to have all the lens in my possession for 2-3 days but hey, we deal with what we can :) That’s why there were 2 different set of tests in 2 different days – the first one already posted along the 1.8G and the 1.4D and now the final one ( which will follow shortly ) with the 1.8G and 1.4G. Sorry if it’s a bit difficult cu follow. Ideally I should have all 4-5 lenses at my home and a few days to run tests, and maybe some “field” shots, but I am only allowed to use the Nikon lenses inside that store… It’s difficult to find someone that owns all of them to borrow.

      Later Edit: I thought you’re talking about the Samyang tests. Anyway the same goes for all the Nikons. I don’t own either of them 85s – just the Samyang.

  17. oh, okay, thanks. I took some photos of my two kids last night with indoor flash, my kid is playing on the piano and i couhgt her right when she has her fingers and she is going to hit the keys on the piano, at 1.4 i was able to pin point right at her little fingers along with the black and white piano keys, and she was sitting right in the MIDDLE of the piano, so i was able to get that nice dept of field effect separating her hands from each side of the piano and just focusing in the center. Tests are nice to do just for fun, but i know now that you and i have a REALLY, REALLY good lens, so the rest to me is history, i feel at piece now, because i have been wanting a 1.4 for a long time, but i just NEVER saw myself spending $900 or more on one of these lenses.

    I want to thank Samyang/Rokinon for this. I hope that when they realize what they have, i hope they dont become greety like everybody else and jack up the price UNREASONABLY. This lens will go up in price, that’s for sure. If they are SMART they will maintain their prices lower they everyone else and eventually they will be SELLING MORE then the competition because people will be buying their stuff instead of the other.

    • feel free to post the photo on flickr or whatever and show us the link here :)
      PS. I hope you realize we’re actually talking about the Samyang in a thread about the 1.8G :))))))

  18. you know what? you are correct. Any one that gets the Nikon 1.8G will be VERY VERY HAPPY also. That is the lens that i was going to get and it is better than the 1.8D (OPTICALLY), and IT IS A AUTO FOCUS. BUT, thanks to comments like this from other people/threads is how i found the Rokinon, and that GUIDED me to a different OPTION. People have freedowm of will to choose. BUT HOW COULD WE CHOOSE IF NO ONE SHOWS US?? WHY NOT SHARE GOOD INFORMATION TO EVERYONE. A fanatic will only tell you that they are in love with this new G lens and that it is the best in the world, BUT they wont tell you the positives AND negatives. I personally LOVE Nikon, and my D7000, but it is what it is. No body has to get the Rokinon, it is not the best lens in the world, and most people would never consider getting a manual focus. Let me know what you think about this. Maybe I am wrong.

  19. Actually cornholio4ya, I have to correct myself. This thread is about the comparison between the 1.8G the 1.8D and the 1.4D. Why not just throw in the Rokinon? Would that be bad? I have never put anything on flickr, i’ll see if i can figure it out. This past week I also went to the Pasadena CA Art Museum where they have a bunch of cool looking statues and i also took pictures of a couple all at 1.4, they came out very nice too, in a fairly dimm light atmosphere. I think i did delete them from my SD card but i think i put them in my PC.

    • This is a thread about some quick tests I did a bit of time ago between the 3 85s from Nikon. I got the Samyang just a few days ago and the tests done with it, against the same Nikon lens was done in another day, hence the different conditions and the new thread ( post ).

      The Rokinon/Samyang is a better lens optically compared to the new 1.8G – in the bokeh departament – and of course it’s one stop faster. However these might be 2 advantages that wouldn’t weight more than the lack of AF for most of the people which find difficult using manual focus. So I don’t think they are competitive products – each one is for different type of clients. If we’re talking about a photographer or enthusiast that shoots for pleasure, and some personal projects then the Samyang would be a great choice. However it would not work great for a wedding photographer, or a journalist which doesn’t afford to loose any time when focusing.
      I am a wedding photographer myself, but I already have many AF lenses, and this prime 85mm is not a focal I could use very much on weddings – so I decided to pull the trigger on this MF version for my own personal photos. I already own another MF gem of a lens – the Nikkor 105 f:2.5 AIS. It’s a legendary lens – one of Nikon’s best ever – a piece of history and so I am a bit used to playing around with MF. However I own a D3 which is a lot permissive for manual focusing because of the big bright viewfinder and the focus help you get from the indicators when compared to a normal APS-C body.

  20. Correct!! I also have my Nikon AF lenses. Me and someone else will be doing a wedding next month for some friends of mine, I would not use the Rokinon on a moving subject either.
    but i will use it for some of the portrait photos in the park or where ever it will be,
    and some artistic ones at the reception. The only disadvantage i have with the Rokinon is the darn Auto Focus. The disadvantage i find on the 1.8G is the weight and CONSUMER GRADE CONSTRUCTION for the long term. And the main disadvantage for me not to get the 1.4D or Sigma, is that i am a poor person, and cannot afford $800 dollars ON A USED ONE!! :(

    • To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Samyang turned out to be even BETTER optically than the Sigma :))
      They are not that common so I think it would be difficult finding one to make some tests against the little Korean gem.

  21. Unfortunately i did delete those sample photos at the Pasadena art museum, but here is the link that shows my daughter messing around with the piano with flash, all this are first time shots with a manual fucus lens UN EDITED. I also took some other photos of this big all Cactus that is outside my parents house and an orange tree. Notice that i posted a SECOND link with pictures of the $2000 dollar Nikon 1.4G. I really don’t know if those photos with the 1.4G lens are EDITED, very likely that they are touched up.

    Personally, i don’t see a difference in the bokeh. The Bokeh of the Rokinon TO ME, is better than the nikon 1.4D for sure. That is why i am not bothering with it, and instead i am comparing it with the top of the line Nikkor 1.4G. I thought this was interesting.

    My photos:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistermejia/

    The Nikkor 85mm 1.4G:

    Monarch Butterfly

  22. Hello cornholio4ya and everyone. Just wanted to share more photos that i just posted on flickr. Just click on the flickr link on my previous post above for the Rokinon 1.4. like i said, i am a fist time manual focus user, and this lens just keeps blowing me away. I went to a park a couple of blocks away from my house and there were some really nice folks riding their horses, also in the same area there were a bunch of kids playing baseball, i took a photo BEHIND a chain link, then i refocused on the kids THRU the chainlink and you can barely see the chainlink on the photo itself.

    Simply amazing!! Take a look at some of the photos, tell me that is IMPOSIBLE to take action photos with a manual focus lens. Not at all

  23. Hello everyone. My dad is interested in this 85mm focal range in Auto Focus and i recommended this Nikon 1.8G to him. Has anyone purchased this lens recently and have some real life sample photos?? Thanks!

  24. In studying the two images at top, the 1.8G at 1.8 and the 1.4D at 2.0… The bokeh of the 1.4D appears creamier… because of reduced contrast…

    Where the 1.8G has clear out of focus specular shadows, the contrast is so high… note the far left digital camera… how dark and sharp it is, due to its contrast… vs the 1.4D, the same camera is smooth, blurred, due to lack of contrast.

    This is part of perhaps why, I believe, in my private testing, that I believe the 1.8G focuses more accurately, and refocuses more aggressively than the 1.4D… AF is accomplished using contrast differentials… The more contrast in a subject, or that a lens can transmit, the better the focusing… N’est pas?

    I’ve done several tests and comparisons myself… http://glamourphotography.co/?s=85mm+1.8G

    And, I prefer the sharpness, ease of use, and focus accuracy of the 1.8G over the 1.4D and 1.8D.

    IMO, the softness of the 1.4D bokeh also translates into softness of features like iris contrast.

  25. hi,
    i want to buy nikkor af-s 85 mm 1,8 but i can’t find it anywhere.. please help me.. thanks

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